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         Nathan Stanley                               15 Jan 03

         3438 Bloomington Ave

         Mpls, M.N. 55407




         Dear Kieren,


              I feel compelled to define and digest my relationship


         with you regarding woodwork, past and present, since making


        sense of our lives and those affecting it is natural to humans.

              Your huge amount of charm and Irishness, and extraordinary


         ability to highlight and market it I feel has been your

         greatest and most necessary asset buisnesswise, peoplewise,

         and otherwise.


              Our ideas regarding woodwork have often converged, but

         often perhaps grown apart quite dramatically.


              The exploitation and great advertising of the use of the

         “Irish craftsman” being flown in, and also shipment of



         every piece of wood” from Ireland makes sense as regards

         your persona and love for Ireland. I however have worked side


         by side happily with many Scottish, English, and even more

         Irish joiners in London, and unless there has been a huge

         renaissance in the last five years, their abilities neither

         exceeded or fell greatly below that of their American cousins,

         which I also have had the great pleasure of working with.


              The wage slave “Irish craftsman” working for a pub

         factory is neither free or independent; nor is he allowed

         imagination, (probably wise), however is given a reward by

         a trip to America.


              On the other hand the management of the Pub factory,

         despite paying trans—Atlantic costs and expensive advertising

         men and for glossy catalogs, earns enough profit by cutting

         corners by the simply.city of making many straight lines and

         not meandering to far off from the production table. I don’t

         think the situation was vastly different 100 years ago, except

         for there being an abundance of carvers and craftsmen working

         cheaply. Also the difference today is a marketing of a

         nostalgic sentiment. (Why not?)


              I understand your sense of a safety net using pub companies

         with it’s seal of Ireland, and the reason it fits your

         advertising agenda. Independent woodworkers are inconvenient,

         and often non-Irish. But I have a question for you. If you

         took a cross section of Joe six—packs and intellectual

         people of all walks, and showed them—Henrys den, Mark Crees

         billiards room, Damiens den, and the main bar at the Local, then

         showed them O’Donovans, Willy Rileys Pub, and Keegans Pub,

         which would they choose? I would bet my life on the answer.

         Especially in light of the contest being between the Pub

         factory and a free-Lancer.


              Which would Edgar Allen Poe or Oscar Wilde have chosen

         to drink in?

         Nathan Stanley